Browning proof marks I would be very surprised to find a Belgian made gun that does not have at least a half-a-dozen proof marks on it. Jul 25, 2023 · From about 25,000 until about 57,000 (5/41-12/41) they used the WaA103 acceptance mark. Unfortunately, I am not smart enough to figure out how to attach it here. Jun 3, 2015 · I believe all "American Brownings" carry those identical proof marks. Jun 13, 2010 · Figured out it was made in 1974 per serial number info on this forum. Fine bore. The serial number may be 3 digits ( last 3 of the whole serial number) on some things. To find the year of proof of your (Post 1975) Browning or Miroku shotgun you’ll need to find the Serial Number. May 4, 2024 · 2. It is not a "proof mark", per se. *Please note the British Proof Authority will not give guidance on pre-1954 marks and recommends re-proof of such arms. The stylized lion over PV is for (IIRC) nitro powder proof. Japan does not have a gun barrel proof act, but the Miroku/Browning system is remarkable for its clarity. Fixed rear sight. It was offered in 9m/m kurz (9mm short, 9 X 17mm Browning, . 87#. Understanding these proof marks Dec 22, 2016 · The proof markings on the Browning FN 1910 barrel show a few symbols. Things I found out after a lot of searching. Without the standard markings it's difficult to even pin down a mfg. Receiver says "Fabrique Nationale D'Armes de Guerre Herstal Belgique Browning Patent Depose". Thank you for visiting our on-line listing of manufacturers identifying marks, referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". For example, PN=1989. But I found another very similar hi power on this forum and the consensus was that his was a Chinese contract pistol. May 16, 2016 · Here is my gun with markings The markings which have me stumped are the ones on the face of the receiver, the number on the barrel as mentioned above, a '1' on the barrel and an 'infinity' or 'lazy 8' on the barrel and finally 'T196' on the barrel and barrel extension - Im making the assumption that this is a torque setting in Nm. g. I'm wondering if this is normal or if the markings should be consistent between frame and barrel. 4/18. 65m/m (7. Can I identify a Miroku shotgun by its barrel markings? Yes, Miroku shotguns often have the brand name, model, gauge, choke information, and other Sep 28, 2023 · It was a gun build for the US market and is an early import by Browning. 3 was the barrel diameter, also correct. Use of Steel Shot Ammunition There is much confusion over what steel ammunition can and can’t be used with shotguns bearing both CIP proof marks and historic national proof marks, or “proof symbols” as we prefer to refer Jul 4, 2020 · Browning Arms Company Manufacturer and importer of arms under the Browning label in Morgan, Utah. Thanks for the help Jan 11, 2022 · FN proof mark directly above serial Belgian proof marks "Browning Arms Company St Louis" Suicide-Safety** not sure if that is the actual name, the one that slides forward and locks. Somewhere along the way the mag disconnect was removed, I have never Mar 16, 2009 · There are marks on each part. I would not be surprised to find the barrel diameter to be less than the "standard" . Also the trigger looks to be missing a piece Mar 14, 2020 · There should be other marks but it looks like everything has been obliterated by the engravings. If there's a picture of John Wayne attached, that's one I was experimenting with. Z=1 Y=2 X=3 W=4 V=5 T=6 R=7 P=8 N=9 M=0 Might be some info to help here Apr 9, 2014 · With the debate that is going on about lead shot, I checked my Browning 425 for proof marks for steel shot - there are none. Been searching for a while. Feb 5, 2016 · Nazi markings are Eagle/WaA140. In it’s small version it’s a black powder mark on small pistols and revolvers barrels Hallowell & Co. Anyways, I noticed some proof marks on the trigger gaurd and was curious if anyone could identify what it means. However I am intrigued by other letters and symbols. The serial number is on the left side of the frame, above and slightly behind the trigger. Oct 15, 2017 · that have passed Steel Shot proof. The proof mark on the trigger guard is "Crown/Oval P. Jim Amongst proof marks are codes enabling one to determine the date of manufacture of many guns. The P within a circle, a large . It may have more under the stock. Shown are typical proofs on A5 barrels 1903 to 1924 and 1924. Jun 28, 2012 · Your "Controller of Proof" mark tells the story and eliminates the 1940s as a possibility. 1672 – 1810, 1853 - present 2 Replace #1 in 1810. 32 ACP. Date range based on research into WaA103 markings which make it likely that the pistol was manufactured in 1941. All of these examples are Nov 5, 2012 · Your pistol has civilian proof marks and with that serial number was probably made in early 1936. Louis MO" on the top, and has some proof marks on the left side (near the chamber end): what looks like a heart, and to the right of that, the initials BP contained within an oval. Original magazine. a. BRUTUS Tradename on revolvers from Hood Firearms Company, c. - Also, Mark displays S/N 94919 which is WaA103 and WaA140 accepted. Album: Belgian Proof Marks PictureTrail: Online Photo Sharing, Social Network, Image Hosting, Online Photo Albums This is similar to item 2 but is showing more pictures of the proof marks. Oct 29, 2020 · Browning High Power Markings Jump to Latest 7. From 12/41 until the end of the war they used the WaA140 acceptance mark. Not used on revolvers. Remember, this is for the Belgian guns: Full = * Improved Modified = *-Modified = ** Improved Cylinder = **-Skeet = **$ (maybe Browning thought that skeet shooters had beau coup loot?) Cylinder = *** Sep 3, 2017 · Those are the usual Belgian (Liege proof house) proofs to be expected on a Browning manufactured at FN in Liege/Herstal. Enter your email below to download the FREE GUIDE to find out which ammunition may be used with the relevant proof symbol. Can't find anything on here. Sample photos of their layouts are at the bottom of the page. Was hoping someone here would be able to give me a little more info on what the origin could be. The washed out horizontal is the caliber accompanying that candle stick. Sep 24, 2008 · WW2 GERMAN NAZI FN BROWNING’S PATENT MODEL 1935 9MM HIGH POWER OR HI-POWER 9MM PISTOL CIRCA 1942-3. 6/184. 65 mm Browning Short, also known as 7. The PV surmounted by the lion indicates the gun uses smokeless powder. Shipping is $50. Apr 19, 2019 · It has an FN barrel with five marks that I can see. On right side of slide and frame is serial #10092. The proof marks are on the left side, with one set on the slide and another, slightly smaller but otherwise identical set on the frame. Mar 18, 2011 · Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. marks and recommends re-­‐‑proof of such arms. Browning Lightning and 1954 12 ga. German, Suhl repair proof since 1950 E. The first is the symbol left of the 2012 stamp on the attached picture and the other is BLB on the top barrel. 65 x 17 mm Browning SR, and as . Nov 8, 2013 · That has a serious collector searching for identifying proof marks. The Anchor is a different one that i have not seen. The proofs consisting of ELG/* in crowned oval (definitive proof), rampant lion over PV (nitro proof), and I don't recall the crown/U -but it is like the first two a Liege proof and together establish the gun was made in Belgium and submitted to proof prior to export The 1910 Browning and a Spanish copy, the Bufalo. gene18@charter. Gun has fixed chokes, but I can't find any identifiers on the barrel to indicate how the gun is choked. All info regarding Belgian proofs comes from this site: Jan 31, 2022 · This mark was used by Controller of Proof Charlier Hubert from 1923-1953. It was then picked up by the FN Factory in Belgium and they completed the design in the late 1920s and went into production. Barrel is a regular barrel with proofs on left from top to bottom: C, *J, Lion over PV, *J, Perron proof mark, a diamond with a 16 over a C inside, crown over ELG. com and view his S/N 66077 example; it is both WaA613 and WaA103 accepted. ). I guess this would indicate 1956? Did not find any info on what the B prefix means or decipher the ser# B25334 thanks J. Apr 15, 2008 · Proof Marks Proof marks Belgian proofs on A5s are often subject of discussions and questions, I like to add some photos and explanations. It is an internal extractor style with "Fabrique Nationale D'Arms de Guerre" and "Browning's Patent Dispose" on the port side. V, followed by * Y. Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 Dec 4, 2021 · This is before major sabotage of the pistols by forced labor. Can be either of these. Discussion in 'Browning Superposed Shotgun' started by Jimmy Lee, Belgian proof marks are something I know about. Trying to figure out if it's a 1938-ish era Hi-Power or a post war-pre Browning? I've read where FN resumed production in the late 1940's at serial number 1 and made around 8-9K a year. It was also later licensed to Inglis in Canada. Marks indicate differences such as the ejector or extractor, while the numbers are more important. Some of them look to be hand cut and some stamped. I understand the "pineapple" proof. FABRIQUE NATIONALE D’ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE BROWNING’S PATENT DEPOSE. Military contract doesn't make it Jan 4, 2019 · Browning Superposed Choke Markings. There should be some date code markings on different parts, indicating the year and quarter each part was made/inspected. Also see F. "Barrel says "Browning Arms Co St. Blake Stevens' book, "The Browning Hi Power Automatic Pistol", The WA140 Waffenamt code was used beginning in the final months of 1941 until the Germans retreated out of Germany in September of 1944. In it’s small version it’s a acceptance mark on barrels that was exported in a unfinished state 1846-1893 In it’s small version it’s a black powder mark on small pistols and revolvers barrels 1866 Feb 17, 2024 · To identify old Browning shotguns, look for specific markings such as serial numbers, proof marks, and engravings. I checked the casting marks and it has the same marks as yours. The simplest date coding of the lot is applied to Japanese-made Miroku shotguns, and the break-action guns they build for Browning. The mark *S was used only by Daenan Charles from 1952 - 1968, and again from 1974 - 1980. I have recently acquired what looks like a Browning auto 5 with a date code of "d" which means either 1925 or 1965. has a *M stamp which, according to Vanderlingen, is attributed to one of two final proof gentlemen: one working from the 20s to the 50s, and one from 40s to 60s, or thereabouts. " is the Definitive proof barrel proof. J. Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “FABRIQUE NATIONALE D’ARMES DE GUERRE / HERSTAL-BELGIQUE” and “BROWNING’S PATENT DEPOSE”. on right side- Made in Belgium Receiver has Belgian PV proof mark below the ejection port. Oct 10, 2015 · The relatively simple and reliable design of the M1922 became a great selling tool for Fabrique Nationale. Posted are early to later waffenamt accepted pistols. Jul 24, 2018 · Hey all. Dec 12, 2021 · The closest Hi Power I have to 2006 is a 2004 Browning blued sport model. Mar 17, 2023 · Just seeing if someone can take a look at pics of this gun I'm looking at buying and tell me what the proof marks mean on the barrel. clearly a transition example. I haven't found what the concentric circles with the "I" means although others have had it on theirs. Apr 7, 2015 · It has Belgian proof marks - roaring lion over P. I found a 1944 Nazi HP I want so I most likely will send this one on down the line. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. c. com Hours: Tuesday - Saturday, 10 - 6. On most over and under shotguns this should be situated under the top lever… and on Semi-Autos somewhere on the receiver… In the Serial number there are two letters together – This is your date code. Sep 10, 2016 · Mystery solved; the cursive "L" inside the flaming bomb is a Belgian proof, underlined K is the Belgian date code for the proof year (which matches the 1993 manufacture year per Browning), and the star over the backward P identifies a specific person responsible for proofing the gun. 849 Kg at the time of proof = 1. 2 17. I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance with twentieth century ones, but unlike my posts on antique English shotguns I don't have an antique Belgian one at hand to describe. BROWREDUIT Tradename on revolvers from Salvador Arostegui. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. May 20, 2011 · Curiously, your Browning barrel has French proof-marks. Since that gun is not American, I suspect its real origin was Spain. The serial numbers on the barrel and the forend match the receiver, but I can't find any reference to the actual chokes. Feb 17, 2024 · 4. That's why I was leaning toward commercial. It is bigger than the 100K limit. Louis, Mo. All original and matching with Nazi Waffenampt “WaA140” stamps on left side of slide and frame and on the chamber of barrel. Barrel- Left, Browning Arms Co. It did not come with a holster or stock, but it does have a stock strap groove in the grip. The Inglis Number 1 and Number 2, Mark * 1 differ. G. How can I identify a Belgian-made Browning Hi Power model? Belgian-made models may have specific proof marks and engravings indicating their origin. 6 m /m35. Jackie, You don’t say whether your gun is the A5 auto or a Superposed O May 26, 2016 · As a matter of fact, for other lucky readers with Belgian Browning shotguns, here is the entire list of Browning choke markings. Louis and Monreal marking indicates import between 1959 and 1968. ***** For inquiries please call Guy - 407-721-3748 SOLD Curio/Relic: Yes Jul 3, 2014 · I am sharing some references I gathered about the proof marks on Belgian firearms e. I have looked on-line a bit and some reference books with no luck. My question is what do I use for ammo. N. Decoding these proof marks is very useful in determining the age and history of the gun. The link also has the Belgian date codes, controllers of proof codes, and Belgian date codes cursive. Jun 21, 2012 · The circled L is a special proof mark applied to guns imported into Belgium that do not carry proof marks recognized by the Liege proof house. Applies primarily to guns made outside the U. Jul 10, 2016 · Proof Marks Jump to Latest 1. In 1899 alone, the U. Mar 9, 2017 · 5 Responses to Belgian Browning Choke Marks. " combination proof not the Epreuve De Liege proof. Feb 26, 2006 · Proof Marks I have an Adobe. It was also used by Fuchs Jacques from 1960-1968. Can be without star and ring. V and Crown over oval, with ELG and a star inside of oval. The barrel is marked CAL. Jul 18, 2019 · As Joe45 said, the stamps are Belgian proof marks. Feb 8, 2016 · The mark is an acceptance mark, meaning the gun has gone into German Army service. Two letters at the end of the serial number indicate the year. In it’s small version it’s a acceptance mark on barrels that was exported in a unfinished state 1846-1893. Livingston, Montana 59047 USA Tel: 406 222-4770 Fax: 406 222-4792 Email: morris@hallowellco. You can see these on the photo of my 1950 pistol. I was told by the previous owner that it had been in the family since 1925 BUT the shotgun also has a controller of proof codes mark of "H*" which seems to only have been used from 1938-1968. So the Browning Hi-Power, actually John Browning first made the design for the Browning Hi-Power and he died before he completed it. Feb 27, 2020 · Visible markings on the gun: Left side of the slide: "FABRIQUE NATIONALE D`ARMES dE GUIERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE", "BROWNING PATENT DEPOSE" and proof marks in the shape of a dragon and an "E". The serial number on barrel matches receiver. Jan 1, 2021 · The frame features the “Dominion of Canada Proof (DCP) Crossed Flags” marking. Every part that's big enough has a 6 in a square. Serial numbers went from 57,000 to about 220,000 (5/43). Under the barrel address is - MADE IN BELGIUM followed by proof marks Right side is - BROWNING AUTO 5 (choke code)SPECIAL STEEL (guage) SHELLS (size)(barrel length) BROWNING PATENTS Page 127 Over the production life of the Auto-5, various parts have been numbered to the gun. The barrel is marked with an S with the 5 point star above it and the frame and slide are marked with a W and the same star. pdf file with proof marks from most countries including short explainations. Feb 17, 2023 · left – fabrique nationale d’armes de guerre, herstal belgique, browning’s patent depose, “nitro proof” mark Frame: Right – 61622, X Left – MARKS - “Nitro Proof”, “Salmon Antoine”, 6 Apr 15, 2007 · Left side stamped (left to right) '* Special Steel-16 Gauge-Shells 23/4"', '1 Kg 000', a marking that looks like the 'pye' symbol, '*B', the Belgian proof mark for 'nitro proof', the Belgian proof mark for 'definitive black powder proof', and a marking that looks like the 'omega' symbol with the numbers '16-70' in the center. Very good with moderate wear and patination. The star over the letter "S" is the mark of the controller of the proof, Charles Daenen, he was the controller of the proof house at Liege, Belgium from 1952 to 1968 and from 1974 to 1980. PROOF MARKS-Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. There is no WaA mark, indicating that the gun was not taken into German military service, but the holster (if original to the gun) would indicatge use by some uniformed security Sep 17, 2019 · I recently acquired FN Browning Hi Power on Gun Broker. The major countries which either did not have proof or whose marks were not recognized were the U. These small engraved symbols or stamps found on shotgun barrels provide essential information about the gun's manufacturing and quality control process. 2 and an "S" near the grip screw hole. Title taken from: FN Browning pistols: sidearms that changed U. Feb 18, 2007 · On the left side of the slide markings are, FABRIQUE NATIONALE D'ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL BELGIQUE, BROWNING'S PATENT DEPOSE, proof mark, Lion over P. 4/192 and Choke 17. By seeking the marks listed in the table, the latest a gun could have been proved originally can be established, as can the time frame of any re-proof that may have been applied later in the gun’s life. Jan 28, 2022 · Evening! Proof marks are tiny on my Browning - trying to understand them and know if it's Ok to put steel shot through it. The left side of the slide has the Browning logo, other than a couple of standard proof marks nothing else on it. Interestingly enough, most people do not know that the Israeli Kareen was designed to fire the 158gr FMJ submachine gun round fired from Uzi's, thus, it was actually designed to be stronger than the Browning HP. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth Amongst proof marks are codes enabling one to determine the date of manufacture of many guns. They have no FN Liege proof marks, the red paint is gone from the back of the grips. The serial number should be on the stock also, but will have to remove to see it. I can see a 5 and a 4 on it. 1/18. PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1950 E. Jun 13, 2014 · A reader has asked me to say something about Belgian proof marks. 1810 -> Liege. The next is for Nitro proof for rifled barrel and parabellum pistols. Aug 26, 2012 · proof marks are typical and consistent w/ what i could find for this gun. Mar 13, 2021 · I will argue that this is not a factory barrel. Belgian proof marks were stamped on the left side of the frame just above the trigger, and in the same location, just above, on the slide. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. What do the proof marks on a Miroku shotgun indicate? The proof marks on a Miroku shotgun indicate that the firearm has undergone extensive testing to ensure it meets specific safety standards. It has tangent 500 meter sights and has acceptance stamps, WaA140 Jan 8, 2024 · I am new to the forum and recently purchased my 1st FN Hi Power. I would like to see pictures of the full pistol, slide included, from both sides to see the roll marks on the slide and read whatever is on the left side of the frame. The ELG/star in crowned Oval is definite proof (means proved at Liege). Decoding Apr 3, 2011 · Other markings/info on the barrel (also well marked in the pictures): CHOKE 17. ** special steel 12 Ga. - Epreuve De Liege proof ( Proof of Liege) - *F = Lambert Alexandre 1927-1953 Insepector - PV Barrel Proof. 1) I am seeing Belgium proof marks, but no military acceptance marks, so my initial thought was that mine is a commercial model. The key to this enigma would be to identify from which country the proof marks are from. Nov 13, 2017 · VTHP, Welcome to the Forum! According to R. Smokeless or Poudre Vive proof. Dec 16, 2009 · What if there are two markings on the barrels of a shotgun? Mine has Choke 17. Proof marks on barrel, Lion over P. FYI: Varney-Carron the old French company that made barrels for Hastings, and has acquired the Hastings name, does replacement barrels for the Browning Auto-5 Jan 29, 2008 · These early Dalys were every bit as good as the Browning Superposed shotguns (I also own a 1962 20 ga. Proof & Date Codes Proof Date Codes Luger Proof/Acceptance Marks WW2 Small Arms Identification Gallery Stara Proof & Date Codes Star Firearms: Dating your Star Pistol with Proofmarks West Hurley Thompson Serial Number Data West Hurley Thompson Serial Number Data - Thompson Collector Groups - Information and Reference Mar 24, 2014 · The little thing that looks like a "candle stick" is the caliber proof. Browning International sells the HP under their name, and Browning Arms in the U. imports the HP and sells it under their name. Mar 24, 2014 · The little thing that looks like a "candle stick" is the caliber proof. 2405 PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1856 Birmingham provisional proof for barrels since 1637 London definitive black powder proof for shotguns,muzzle loader barrels 1811-1892 Liege black powder proof for rifles 1897-1923 Liege black powder proof for rifles Aug 5, 2022 · Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. Jan 23, 2008 · The eagle/swastika is the German military proof mark, used on guns made in occupied countries; note the absence of the pre-war Belgian proof marks (ELG, perron, etc. The proof symbols are explained in their simplest possible terms for what ammunition may be used with the relevant proof symbol above. Sole proof mark until 1853, when it became the mark for Mar 9, 2013 · Proof Marks Proof marks Belgian proofs on A5s are often subject of discussions and questions, I like to add some photos and explanations. 2408 PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. May 23, 2019 · Hello group, I am new to this Forum and am interested in learning the manufacture date of my FN High Power Browning, manufactured in Belgium around 1938-1944. Belgian inspector and smokeless powder proofs are also stamped on the right side of There is much confusion over which steel ammunition can and can’t be used with shotguns bearing both CIP proof marks and historic national proof marks, or “proof symbols”. 13. and Spain. I have a couple of questions. The Sport Active is a "jobber" trade mark and the Browning auto-5 is to identify to which firearm the barrel belong. Are there any specific markings to look for to help date a Browning Hi Power? Yes, there are typically proof marks, inspector marks, and other stampings that can provide clues to the age and origin of the firearm. Excellent overall condition. The spangled E may be a Oct 28, 2010 · The shield shape in the first pic is the modern mark for leige in Belgium and in the last pic it appears to be a stamp for superior proof not English make and nitro proof but a mix of european and english marks is a bit strange. Apr 9, 2011 · According to the above links, great information by sauerfan, the only Belgian date code mark is ξ as far as I could find. In 1989, all proof data was marked in metric using the bar as the unit of measurement. BRUNSWIG Tradename of Esperanza y Unceta (Astra). A. One is an O with a star above and the other is a lion over P. If > 3% less now (from honing or exterior filing) it is considered out of proof lettre annale greek delta = 1951 Inspector's mark Smokeless powder proof (Stylized lion over PV = poudre vive) Belgian Proof House (Banc D'Epreuves de Liege) mark 16g with 70 mm = 2 3/4" chamber Mar 22, 2013 · Yes, proofs. Trying to figure out all of the markings on this old double barrel that belonged to my granddad. Superposed). The "Star E" is the inspector mark for Jamart Auguste, an FN inspector from 1924-1959 and provided the final inspection on the barrel/firearm. Miroku built thousands for Browning under the Browning label and used the same tooling for the Charls Daly's. 1mm) or larger. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service. Nov 24, 2014 · The usual array of proof marks but nothing German military or any military for that matter. Vanderlinden). May 4, 2024 · 11. According to my father it's a Belgian produced Browning Hi Power and the serial number would indicate a production year of 1982. Serial numbers began with 1. Top barrel has 'special steel 12g shells_23/4" '. WaA 135 was used at the late war Mauser factory , for example. Bottom of the slide: "127898" and "6J" Left side of the frame above the trigger guard: Proof mark and the number "1" Right side of the frame: Jan 4, 2021 · Were the Auto 5 mine, I would assume the * indicating full choke was correct and the 18. PO Box 1445. 32 acp). There is also a Letter N with a star above it that I can't figure out. Credit cards OK with no additional fee. As to the firing pin retaining plate, it is possible this has been replaced at some point. The mag disconnect has been removed and the mags are poorly blued with no WaA Nov 28, 2017 · It has a rib down the top of the slide, forged frame, the front sight appears to be part of the slide (no dovetail and it doesn't appear silver soldered in), ambi-safety, a hole in the front of the dust cover under the muzzle, a magazine disconnect, no firing pin safety, a "pig nose" at the muzzle, and very few visible roll marks or proof marks. Barrel is 4 3/8". The NP is Japan's Nitro proof mark. For corroboration, cross-reference with the proof house controllers' mark. 12. There is Le Perron Mark Belgian View Proof Acceptance Stamp for firearms "Perron" (the two dimensional flat looking style) My reference suggests this is a Liege inspection mark possibly for inspection of the breeching system. The Belgian proof mark is on the slide, frame and barrel (see the photos): the lion above a line with PV underneath. 6K views 4 replies 4 participants last post by Old Shatterhand Jul 12, 2016 Jun 15, 2016 · The 'SP' and 'NP' are just proof marks from the Japanese proof house TBD. This is an original WW2 production FN High Power pistol made during Nazi occupation of the FN factory. Excellent markings and proof stamps. St. V) is typically found to the left of the Controller of Proof mark. Oct 6, 2013 · Going yto be shooting a lot of duck this season so have checked there proof markings on the gun and I am a little confused with one / two. Nov 5, 2023 · Shotgun Proof Marks: What You Need to Know Before Blasting Away! 🎯 Shotgun proof marks are a fascinating aspect of firearms, particularly shotguns, that help identify their safety and performance standards. Feb 23, 2003 · I've got a 1958 A-5 Light Twelve & barrel says : on left -Browning Arms Co. 2004 Browning Sport Oct 22, 2021 · Knowing what steel ammunition can and can’t be used with shotguns bearing both CIP proof marks and historic national proof marks, or “proof symbols”, can be very confusing. The condition is poor so I would value the gun at no more then 300 to 350. Sep 16, 2010 · Belgian Shotgun Identification The Banc d'Epreuves de Liege proved 233,526 double barrel smoothbore guns in 1889, the majority for export. "Crown E. 1875. You can tell because of the Browning Arms St Louis rollmark not a FN rollmark. The "U" top inletting, the "PV+crown" proofmark and the "U+star" Controller of Proof mark, I think dates it 1966 consistent with the serial number on the barrel. Jun 28, 2019 · Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. This is indication that the pistol was tested at the Inglis factory with over-pressured proof cartridges. In this case, the barrel features the Canadian etched “crossed flags” proof mark, which is a shorthand version of the DCP proof mark. 1810 -> Liege Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. Jun 1, 2015 · (Belgian proofmarks) - The table shows the description, dates used, and the proof marks, e,g, The Perron, ELG’s (encircled with and without the crown on top), nitro or powder(?) proof marks, PV (with the lion), etc. One is for definitive black powder proof for breech loading guns,small bore guns and hand guns. Mar 10, 2008 · Barrel left side reads "Modified 16 Special Steel", & "Browning Arms Company Ogden Utah". The F below the proof marks may stand for France, not full. Was as follows 1Kg191ξB then 3 sets of proof marks, the ξ and B are sideways. May 21, 2005 · Right, a bit of development, I have found two identically engraved and vented guns on gun trader as "Browning Ultra 'S'" A chap on guntrader's forum has said that from my first pic about the 187 before the proof mark implies 18. 3. :bthumb: Nov 30, 2022 · Proof marks on Japanese shotguns. PROOF MARKS: BRITISH PROOF MARKS - ENGLAND, cont. Feb 4, 2023 · Hallowell & Co. Dec 27, 2013 · BROWNING ARMS COMPANY MORGAN,UTAH & MONTREAL P. Can Browning Hi Power date be determined based on its features or design? May 23, 2011 · Receiver - Left side, "Sweet Sixteen" and Browning; Right side, proof marks * over D, Lion over PV, then what looks like a line and arrows pointing down; Underside serial # S49166. It's a B26 from 1976. Most of the BELGIAN PROOF MARKS Mark Number Description Dates Used Mark 1 The Perron, sole proof mark until dropped in 1810, Since 1853 used to indicate inspection or proof of breeching system. Apr 21, 2014 · 3. I have found several sources on the internet that gives me a clue to when this pistol was made but they are conflicting with each other. All info regarding Belgian proofs comes from this site: The Browning Hi-Power. Use of Steel Shot Ammunition There is much confusion over whatsteelammunition can and can’t be used with shotgunsbearing both CIP proof marks and historic national proof marks, or “proof symbols” as we prefer to Finally, the space between “Browning’s Patent” and “Depose” was eliminated. I believe it was stamped by Fuchs Jacques and is from 1960-1962 or so, a period when the "thumbprint/scallop" had been eliminated from the right side of the slide, yet was still fitted with the original internal extractor. " BROWNING 1910 - NAZI PROOF MARKS Description: Browning 1910 with Nazi Proof Marks. 5K views 24 replies 11 participants last post by cpw - in Memoriam Oct 30, 2020 May 20, 2023 · Remember some of those marks may be inspectors numbers. My Browning ablot2 rifle made my Miroku also has NP stamped on the barrel as it's made in japan. It includes the marks you see on FN's pistols. Jul 7, 2020 · I'm referring to those letters near the trigger guard and at times on the butt near the mag well along with those inside the slide. 65 X 17mm Browning, . Feb 27, 2011 · Here is a closeup of the markings on the frame: I tried to get a picture of the marks on the barrel, but I just couldn't get focused on it with my cheap camera. Also, because the proof markings may be very helpful to get additional info on a specific gun. I think I am almost there except for a couple of questions on proof markings and Sep 19, 2009 · - If you were to visit Mark C's fine web site www. Dec 25, 2021 · A different proof mark (the standing lion over P. 2 398 Several more symbols from the browning proof mark page Alternative imperial proof marks introduced in 1954 gave service pressures in tons per square inch, marked as ‘3 tons’. Mar 21, 2020 · Disassemble the gun and take pictures of the proof marks. If other proof marks still exist on the barrel or anywhere inside, they might be helpful it narrowing down a date. Since it is much easier to post pictures on this site I decided to do it here (thanks Jan and Brent). Which yours was. These were not good but later 1944 were worse. It has the correct Lion over PV or "Poudre Vive" proof which was used on smokeless powder guns staring in 1903. Then, Browning stamped one of 2 SN prefixes on 12ga guns, "H' & "M" for standardweight guns (depending upon year), or "L" & "G" for Lightweight guns (also depending upon year). All matching SNs, looks like original non-blued finish, and what appears to be original magazine. The St. Seems like one of a kind Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “FABRIQUE NATIONALE D’ARMES DE GUERRE / HERSTAL BELGIQUE” and “BROWNING’S PATENT DEPOSE”. S. No obvious gold plating on the trigger FN butt plate Barrel: "Made in Belgium" "* Special Steel-12 Gauge-Shells 2 3/4" Belgian proof marks Poly Choke (the one with Jan 11, 2011 · It is indeed a proof mark from the factory, although a great many Kareens don't have the proof. History by Anthony Vanderlinden. Jan 21, 2006 · A collector from another board asked me if I would post some pictures of my German Army FN Browning M1922s. V. Aug 12, 2017 · The proof marks and inspection marks on the barrel indicate to my eyes the following. It should have some Belgian proof marks. There are some proof marks on the barrel. . Browning proof marks. Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 May 21, 2020 · Acquired a Browning FN Mod 1922, and have suspicions that it's an occupation-era commercial production based on the SN, SN letter style, Nazi proof marks, and triangle proof mark on the rear of the frame. The Number 1 is the Chinese pistol with tangent rear sights and a slot for a shoulder stock. Its marks are clearly those of the St. However, the other day I got out the case that came with the gun (I bought it secondhand and had put the case in the attic), and I found tucked in with the guarantee Aug 9, 2017 · When Browning stopped serializing 12ga A5's with numbers only in 1954, the last SN was 447750 - nowhere near 6,360,676. This A5 was part of my fathers estate and I am trying to figure out what I have before I set it up for auction. L. It’s not my intention to be an expert on this aspect as I just wanted to learn like the other members here as to what are the meaning of these marks and their significance apart from the information given here by members of the Dec 24, 2017 · Perhaps the simplest date coding of the lot is that applied to Japanese-made Miroku shotguns, and the break-action guns they build for Browning. The *E is an inspectors mark used by Auguste Jamart 1924-1959. This incredible and Rare piece of WWII history is the Fabrique Nationale High Power. Sep 8, 2013 · I spoke to the Browning Historian who confirmed the shotgun did not appear in their records and so had not been retailed through Browning. 4. Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. Can I identify a Browning Hi Power model by its serial number? Serial numbers can provide information about the manufacturing date and location, which may help identify the model. 7mm which would mean it was back bored, something which he reckons was never done on the 425 model. Dont know what they are, but I would guess they are not unique. net. May 26, 2013 · -The Controller of Proof Mark (*O) was used by Watrin Charles from 1928-1965-My 1950 pistol has serial number 28,*** but serial numbers are not conclusive. In several places there is a 3, or it might be a J that's underlined. p38guns. The grade is supposedly marked by a single number. The circle SP with crown is Miroku's proof mark. It has the tangent sight and slot for the stock. It's a matching slide assembly and frame. shells 2 3/4" C12-70 ELG, & PV Belgian proof mark and a few others. May 9, 2022 · I saw post regarding the proof markings on another subs browning hi-power pistol and it answered some questions I have about mine however, I have a few more markings in the pics I have attached. , visible in the ejection port of the slide, and the barrel is stamped with the standard Liege proof marks. They are, though, pretty much the same as you see above the trigger with the addition of the Belgian proof symbol (the crown with the circled letters). Oct 10, 2003 · No sir, no numbers anywhere else, just on the front grip strap. Nov 28, 2017 · I noticed that the barrel has a controller of proof code that is different from the frame and slide. WaA = Waffen Amt ; the number is used to designate the factory, I believe. , Inc. One source says that sn would be in the 1940 to 1944 range and should also have E HK proof marks in 3 areas. Gun was made for import to North America. Mar 27, 2014 · These are a bit hadr to date but I am thinking early 1950s. * Guess we'll have to keep tempering our date estimates with the old "+/-" caveat. 729 for the 12 gauge. Testing Firearms: Proof Test Marks Firearms History, Technology & Development: Testing Firearms: Proof Test Oct 23, 2024 · The barrel weighed . Etienne proof house. I am trying to get a better understanding beyond the Browning site for dates of manufacture. Mar 30, 2024 · Hi, I have a 1952 Browning A5 12 gauge that I am trying to determine proof marks and engravings. Q. In the case of the Birmingham Proof House, this was marked as ‘3 tons per square inch’ until 1954. Mar 3, 2024 · On the left side of the slide and just below it on the frame, the mark [ *E ] (asterisk above E) is the mark used by Controller of Proof Jamart Auguste from 1924-1959. LATE WWII NAZI German FN Browning Hi Power P35 Description: LATE WWII NAZI German FN Browning Hi Power P35 Original Holster Rig Made in Occupied Belgium 1944 Here we present a Nazi German FN Browning Hi Power P35, made circa 1944, near the end of World War II in soon-to-be-liberated, German occupied Belgium. First pic is Belgian Proof? Which I think is this Nitro Superior Proof?? Other pictures of other marks Last pic I've covered out the serial number. Oct 7, 2013 · All the FN-Browning High Powers, regardless if their solely FN marked or Browning marked are made by FN on the same machines and assembled with the same parts. 380 acp) or in 7. Liege, Belgium: A single letter, either Roman or Greek, upper or lower case, underlined or not. Pistol is chambered in 7. 5. Cross-referencing these details with Browning’s records or consulting with a firearms expert can help determine the age, model, and production year of the shotgun. Miroku have a date code using two letters and you will have to locate the stamp. These guns should be proved to at least 1320 bar, be stamped with "Steel Shot" and a have a Fleur de Lys proof mark to prove it). We have provided you with this information in an attempt to clear up some wrong information that we have found on this subject. Browning High Powers et al. firms of Hartley & Graham and Simmons Hardware bought 90,000 shotguns, rifles, and handguns from Liege gunmakers. The left side of the slide and frame are marked with an Eagle holding a globe with swastika (test proof) and an “Eagle / WaA140” Waffenamt military acceptance stamp. If nothing comes of it no big deal, but just thought I'd ask. Browning Age Lookup. Most High Performance steel can be fired through any choke, but it is recommended not to use choke greater than a half for shot sizes BB (4. Dec 5, 2016 · ^ Thanks for all the help. The grips are plastic or bakelite. The second mark, the lion rampant over the letters PV denotes nitro (smokeless) proof. , St Louis, Mo, Special steel 16 ga etc,; 1kg033, and more proof marks, of which, I know the value. The serial number is E0221x (Slide, Frame and Barrel) There are proof marks on the slide and frame. Bruce Buck says: February 13, 2023 at 10:37 am. Know it was made in Belgium and it has the black powder proof mark (only symbol) i have been able to figure out. These again are pre-war parts and show a very high quality. The serial number is C5639 b. This may be a Belgian military contract pistol produced in February of 1939 per info from "FN Browning Pistols - Volume ll" (A. Some parts like extractors do not interchange with previous variants. To state officially in which contracting states the conduct of proof complies with the Standard Reference (Etalon) Proofs in line with Paragraph 2 and to publish a Table showing the types of Proof Marks used by the official Proof Houses of these states both currently and since the signature of the Convention on15 July 1914. kwrs msmcz ecsund paeaye nqaqjosq zev tlt axnhl looxv vygqz